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the latest version of chaotica can be downloaded from chaoticafractals.com: [link]

the 64 bit versions are faster but cannot use apophysis dll plugins, relying instead on the many built-in variations (see variation_compatibility.xml for an alphabetical list).


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please let me know about any bugs you find :thanks: special thanks to `FarDareisMai, erik reckase and the deviantart fractal community :ahoy:

example params by ~Zueuk & ~Jeddaka, ~Meckie &^SaTaNiA, `lindelokse and `SuicideBySafetyPin


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:iconplangkye:
plangkye Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
So, I'm sorry, another question - actually two -

1) When I check the box for "Save Alpha Channel" near where you choose background color, where does it save this alpha channel? The .png of the render has no alpha.

2) How am I supposed to use the Save State and Restore State features? Save State works fine to create a .lyc file, but when I hit Restore State and try to load that file, Chaotica crashes every time!
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lyc Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012
heya, no problem.

1. use the beta build linked in #Aposhack, it has fixed alpha and many improvements.

2. load the params you used to render first, then restore state. sorry for the confusion!
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:iconplangkye:
plangkye Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I still get crashes - if I edit and save a different set of parameters in the same .flame file would that cause problems, or is it more likely the problems are caused by upgrading?
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lyc Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012
the state file should be saved with the same chaotica version, since there's additional information in the newer versions (0.5 beta 3). the params loaded should also be the same, i.e. have the same resolution specified, else you can set the resolution to be the same before loading the state.

basically you want to have the same params loaded and rendering before loading the state, then it'll continue right where it left off.
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:iconplangkye:
plangkye Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
OK, it was probably that I was trying to load from an earlier version then. Thanks.
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:iconlyc:
lyc Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012
sorry, there should definitely have been a helpful message instead of a crash!
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sensey-alexey Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Hi
Is Chaotica better than apophysis renderer? And at what points?
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:iconlyc:
lyc Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2012
hi alexey, chaotica aims to be both higher performance and higher quality than apo. a lot of "variations" are built in, and work in the 64bit build to allow really high resolution printing (above 2GB). it's written in highly efficient c++ and is fully multithreaded.

stay tuned for more info on chaotica if you're interested, there will finally be some news soon :)
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:iconplangkye:
plangkye Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Does Chaotica not like direct color? I tried one with DC_Perlin and there was no color variation on that transform.
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lyc Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2012
correct, unfortunately DC isn't supported at the moment :blushes:
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mario837 Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2012
Hi Thomas!
Maybe you can help me with this coloring puzzle I found when exporting to Chaotica: [link]
Thanks and :hug:s
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:iconlyc:
lyc Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2012
hi mario, i looked very quickly at your parameters, and they appear to use a final transform with colour that isn't 0. this is handled in a very non-standard way by apo7x (unlike all the other flame apps, like flam3 and normal apo, etc etc) and chaotica doesn't try to support this terrible hack, sorry!
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mario837 Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2012
Thank you!
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UberLung Featured By Owner May 9, 2012
Hi.
I realy like this program and am excited about its future development.
It works great with frost and qosmic as well as with apo 7x.
It even will open Jwildfire flames if you keep within chaotica's variation compatibility. So a big thanks and excellent work.
I tend to make all of my flames specificly to be rendered in chaotia now.
( would love to see some of the jwildfire variations added to chaotica. )

Even though I dont do any commecial work and 1920 x 1920 is quite generous and adequite for my purposes, I would like to buy an unlocked version to help with development.
I will check your site and contact you when i have some funds.

-be well
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MystikAngel Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Question: I'm trying to install chaotica in Apo 7x V15B but every time I try to link to the file I get an error message "Could not find "C:\chaotica_-.48_win_noncommercial\32bit\32bit\choatica.exe" - invaild Chaotica 0.45+ path"

does chaotica not work with v15b or am I just not doing something right?
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lyc Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2012
unfortunately apo seems to be quite picky about the chaotica path, and i'm not sure exactly how it wants to be set :hmm: probably the easiest way to use chaotica, is just to paste the params into chaotica via the clipboard (ctrl+c in apo, ctrl+v in chaotica) and then edit the resolution etc from there as needed.

thanks for trying it out! :w00t:
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MystikAngel Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Okay, thank you! :)
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:iconkarkan:
Karkan Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Stumbled upon the program by accident :O. Will have to give it a try and report some feedback to you. Looks really nice though. :)
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:iconlyc:
lyc Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2012
sorry for the super late reply, and thanks for checking it out! i've just released the 0.48 version, which has a lot of bugfixes and is generally a lot nicer to use :)
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LeonieZurakowsky Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2012   Digital Artist
Totally cool! :D
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:iconlyc:
lyc Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2012
thanks! :dance:
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DinkydauSet Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I tried to render an image with size 60004500 and it appears the maximum size is 19201920. Unless you're using 5 oversample it doesn't make use of more ram as suggested in the tutorial. It's also a downside because it's the large images that take long to render and for which a more efficient rendering method would be most useful.
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lyc Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2012
the free version is indeed limited to 1920x1920, larger images being deemed commercial use. there should be a nearly linear relationship with resolution and time to render an image to the same sampling level (SL); this isn't quite so in practice because of cache effects etc, but since it doesn't render in "slices" it should scale just fine with resolution. the real problem is low efficiency (which can be due to high zoom, or many invisible iterations), and for that there are solutions too... ;)
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DinkydauSet Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Are there anymore advantages the commercial version has? What does it cost? I may be interested in the future. Currently I'm experiencing too many problems. As someone else said the colors are very different from those in Apophysis, and more problems are that not all plugins work with the program (I've noticed mandelbrot doesn't work) and changing the values in chaotica on the right with the keyboard doesn't do anything (the arrows seems to work).
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Euflorae Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2011
Looks great! Any chance of it working on Lion?
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piotrmil Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2011
Hey! I've been using chaotica for a while. It is great! I don't have a very fast pc, so being able to stop rendering at any given time and save the results is a big help.
Two problems, though:
1) sometimes the colors are compeltely different from the ones I chose in Apo,
2) some variations are not supported (like loonie for Apo7x). Is there any particular reason behind it? I'm not that sophisticated when it comes to programming, so pard'n me if that was a silly question.
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:iconlyc:
lyc Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2011
cześć piotrek,
1. the imaging is indeed not 100% compatible, and will normally requires adjusting while it's rendering. this can be done in realtime while it's rendering, without restarting, and is anyway suggested to explore the possibilities for making the best final image! (in the 0.47 beta in my journal, there is now also colour curve editing.)
2. loonie is built-in if i recall correctly, so it will work in both the 32bit and 64bit version without needing the plugin DLL, and runs much faster than the plugin. if you're seeing a problem, it's likely something else (using DC or 3D plugins?) - feel free to note me the parameters.

thanks for checking out chaotica! :ahoy:
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piotrmil Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2011
Hmm... You were right, I was using them in 3d variations.
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Rose47 Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2011  Student General Artist
I downloaded Chaotica 0.45 to my computer and got it going but the image it rendered is not the same image that I rendered. I created a heart image from a script (System Script from Unclemontezuma) and instead of a heart shape it gave me a round shape instead. I can't use it like this.
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:iconlyc:
lyc Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2011
could you note me the parameters please? i've fixed a few bugs in 0.45, like in glynnia (which i've seen used to make hearts before). besides this, please make sure if you're using plugins that you're using the 32bit chaotica, with the required dll plugins in its plugins folder.

thanks for checking it out :ahoy:
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:iconrose47:
Rose47 Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2011  Student General Artist
I needed to add that I'm using APO7X15. Thank you!
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IscopeU Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Could you please put up a mirror? Dropbox is not the best place for downloads.
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:iconlyc:
lyc Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2011
good point :D fixed the links
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:iconiscopeu:
IscopeU Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
That is super! And quick too. Thanks :)
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:iconlyc:
lyc Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2011
no problem, thanks for the good suggestion :)
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Indigo-Glow Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I've been using this for a while now, and it's SO great! Thank you, thank you!.

I do have a few sorta technical issues however, and I am not sure of the best way to relay them. Post em here? Send you a Note?
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lyc Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2011
email is probably best, thomas.ludwig@gmail.com

thanks for the kind words! :ahoy:
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Yasny-chan Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2011
:ohnoes: so with chaotica I can render apo flames?? :faint: is faster? I mean I have apo (in a Mac computer) and render time is sooooo long ;_;
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:iconlyc:
lyc Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2011
you should just check it out ;) the realtime mode is fun, hold down alt and then drag in the viewport with LMB and RMB to pan and zoom.

[link] <-- getting started video by `FarDareisMai
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Yasny-chan Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2011
:la: it seems easy!! :la:

thank you! :D
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fractal2cry Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2011
sweet thanks
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Argothar Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Crashes upon opening on my mac :(
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:iconlyc:
lyc Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2011
which version of mac os are you using?
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:iconargothar:
Argothar Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Snow Leopard V_V
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:iconlyc:
lyc Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2011
it was built on snowleopard so it should run :/ can you try adding the Qt libraries (version 4.7.0 needed) to your system?
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:iconargothar:
Argothar Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Hmm, ok I'll try that out.
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RV-TIDE Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Question; How does the render time on this generally compare to the native renderer in Apophysis?
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:iconlyc:
lyc Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2011
the performance/quality picture is much better overall, especially for the 64 bit version; if you like i can send you some sample images in a note.

the biggest differences between the two in my opinion, is the much higher image quality and the ability to render very large images by using all of a modern 64 bit computer's memory (instead of only 2 or 3gb which 32 bit windows applications can access). that it's faster is a bonus, and i have big plans for chaotica in the future, to turn it into a real next generation fractal app :)
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RV-TIDE Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Oh, I see, I see. The samples would be appreciated. But please continue the development! I'm impressed so far, and I'll be recommending this religiously :)
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